Saturday, 26 January 2008

A Life Changing Amount of Money

I got an email last night which made me feel slightly horrified, I don't know if you've ever had that feeling, similar to the feeling you get when you realise you've locked yourself out, or when you realise you are watching a really dodgy show about fatal circus accidents. Well this moment was more specifically to do with feeling you've somehow ended up in a TV show without quite realising it.


It all started about four months ago, when I saw an advert in Time Out which went along the lines of "People wanted for new TV show - The System - where contestants could end up winning a life changing amount of money". Being poor, the phrase "life changing amount of money" is very appealing to me, and in my little life, I don't come across this phrase very often. When I take my son to playgroup, and one of the other mums calls me over saying "I've got something for you", it's never a life changing amount of money, it's usually a book called "How to stop toddlers taking over and turning you into a nervous wreck." So I felt compelled to fill out the long online application form and got called for a camera interview. I was reassured that the show was not in any way dodgy or embarrassing, they just couldn't tell me anything about it as the show was a secret. So I sat there, in front of the camera, answering their questions "How much is a life changing amount of money to you?" (£500k) "Do you take risks?" (No. But I have done a parachute jump before, which is a bit of a risk). "Do you consider yourself to be unlucky?" (No....waffle waffle...sometimes...waffle waffle....Yes).


They had three weeks of auditions to get through, but I had a strange feeling I would be picked somehow and excited when I got the confirmation email. All they could tell me was that the show was about horse racing and a tipster would give me a series of tips, all I had to do initially was watch the race without betting any money. I was a bit concerned due to the fact that I don't really agree with horse racing, it's against my principles. But as I am quite greedy, and ready to overlook my ethics, what with the pound signs in my eyes getting in the way, I thought I'd go along with it. I also thought if I did win a life changing amount of money, I could make up for it by sending a load of horses off for a spa day or something.


Now while all this was going on, I'm trying to figure out what it's all about. I just happened to be reading Derren Brown's book "Tricks of the mind" at the time, and started thinking it could be something to do with him, I'm not sure why. I then looked up Objective Productions, the company behind the show, and saw that they were behind Derren Brown's TV shows. It was weird as well, Derren kept popping up everywhere, in magazines, pictures, interviews. It was around this time I came across an interview of his in a magazine and texted my sister with the urgent news "DERREN BROWN IS GAY!!!". She was as shocked as I. We both fancied him quite a bit, although after finding out he was gay, it did seem really obvious that he was so, totally gay. And funny how it puts you off. Like a relationship was ever in the wings.


To be honest I went off him a bit when I read his book. He is an illusionist, an entertainer. I was expecting something a bit lighthearted, but it was just one huge rant, and many things got my goat. His dislike for religion and alternative therapies was quite offensive and totally irrelevant. I don't care what you think Derren, I just like the way you do your hocus pocus, talk about that. I found a lot of what he wrote was hypocritical and misleading. I thought he was so vain to think that we would be that interested the narrow minded views of an entertainer. Not a scientist, not a medical expert, an entertainer, someone who in a home filing system somewhere, could be filed in the same category as Paul Daniels. He went from being a fantasy playmate to a gay man who stopped being fanciable and talks a load of rubbish. And to be honest, I've been a bit miffed with him ever since the time I went to see him live, where I got pulled up on stage as a volunteer, took part in a Ouija board, ok it was all very clever what with the glass moving about and all that, but then as he shook my hand to thank me for my participation, I puckered my lips for a kiss and he walked off!! So, to save myself from embarrassment from the hundreds of people in the audience watching, I had to keep my lips in the puckered position as I walked back to my seat, as if my lips sometimes naturally fall into this puckered state. No I haven't been turned down for a kiss by Derren Brown, my lips always do this. It's a pout. Or maybe I've just been stung on the lips by a bee. Or maybe, I'm just preparing my lips to give my cousin, who's been sitting in the seat next to me, a kiss when I return to my seat, after being away on the stage for so long. We're Turkish, we're always kissing, us Turks.


So on one hand I was hoping it would be my one time favorite sexy illusionist idol, on the other hand, I was hoping it had nothing to do with the anti kissing rubbish talking non heterosexual.

So I got an email with the tip, a name of a horse, one of those crazy horsey names that I can not even recall and was told not to bet - just to check the results afterwards. Unfortunately the horse didn't win. I received an email shortly afterwards to tell me that as the tip was incorrect, the production company were now having huge reservations about going ahead with the show, thanks for my time, no life changing money, get back to your boring life missus. So I did, and forgot all about it. A few months passed, I then received the following email:


From:
(Name removed)
You may not know this sender.
Mark as safeMark as unsafe
Sent:
25 January 2008 12:34:46
To:


Hi there,

We hope you are well and a belated Happy New Year. We realise that it’s been a while since we’ve been in touch but we just want to let you know a bit more about “The System” before it finally goes out on TV. We've not been able to fill you in on everything before for confidentiality reasons.

As you know the programme had a basis in gambling and horse-racing. What you didn’t know was that it was Derren Brown who was providing the predictions behind the winning horses and “The System” is his new one-off special for Channel 4. His operating anonymously was a big part of the show, so unfortunately we weren’t able to tell you it was him behind it. However, you have played an important part and we hope that when you watch it all will make sense and you will see that your involvement was invaluable.

The programme is currently scheduled to go out on Channel 4 on Friday 1st February at 9.00pm so we hope that you’ll be watching and you’ll get a much fuller picture of what we set out to do. We hope too that you’ll be proud that you were a part of it all; these programmes are impossible to achieve without the trust and kindness of people like you, willing to join in with our rather mysterious introduction to an unknown someone's claimed gambling system.

It was a genuine pleasure meeting you and taking things as far as we did and we want to thank you once more for the time you gave us which we are all very much appreciative of.

We wish you all the very best, and hope you like the show.

Best Wishes,

(Name removed)

Associate Producer, Objective Productions



I knew it was him! Then my imagination took off; what do they mean "you have played an important part", all I did was go to the camera audition and receive a useless email. Have they been secretly filming me? Maybe I've actually been down the bookies and Derren has hypnotised me into forgetting all about it? Who was looking after Ky? My imagination then went for a coffee break and I started to see things more realistically. All they have of me on film is the camera audition. So the chances are, they've probably edited that and probably in such a way that I look like a complete idiot. Then my cousin calls me after reading the above email which I forwarded to her, she has spotted a review on her sky listings which states "Derren Brown sends his racing tip to a single mum from London..." Well that's clearly me! I'm the only single mum in London (imagination back from coffee break).

Then my sister saw the trailer for the programme. It definitely wasn't me. It was another single mum from London. What a slap in the face. Not only has Derren Brown chosen someone else to enjoy all the fame and money, but he's cheated on me with another single mum from London. What was the matter? Was I not single mum from London enough for him? First he insults me with his book, then he rejects me in front of a live audience, and now this. I'm beginning to take this all very personally.

After much speculation I read the email again, then I realised it doesn't necessarily imply that I'm featured in the program at all. I think, he sent an email to a selection of people with the crazy name of different horse on each one, and the person who got the email with the name of the horse who happened to win, got to be 'the chosen one'.

Paul Daniels was alright you know. He would have treated me like this.

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/tv_and_radio/article3233325.ece

73 comments:

william_tapscott said...

I believe I know what the Derren Brown special will involve.

On my blog, another person who received an e-mail like yours left a comment confirming my theory --

http://aboutderrenbrown.blogspot.com/2008/01/secret-of-derren-browns-system-friendly.html

Zing said...

quote: "DERREN BROWN IS GAY!!!"

Oh, I know. Bummer, huh? Still like his programme though...

Pam said...

He might have started with many "victims" telling each to bet on a different horse.


If you do that one has to hit the jackpot because all the bases are covered.


A system to predict which horse will win needs to take into account:

Winners form

Winners fitness level

Form of every horse in the race

Fitness level of every horse in the race

Race distance (horses for courses)

Ground (hard, soft, mud)

Handicap weight

Skill of the Jocky

Mood of the horses in the race

Viruses going around (Red Rum wouldn't win with the start of a virus in his system, and at first even the groom won't be able to detect a virus, the horse probably wouldn't know until he tried to run.)

Distance traveled to the race and duration of travel, (Traveling is tiring for horses.)

That lot is just off the top of my head and all of these factors would interact.

So the system that would work reliably is bet on them all, or make someone else do it and stuff the loser's.

Pam said...

Funny because he came out in the press about being Gay 48 hours after receiving a phone call from a Bristol University Researcher regarding the fact that in 1994 he came to her flat and raped her with a mutual friend.

I know this because I made the call.

He ruined my life. Imagine rape taking the best part of a decade to eat it's way out of your subconscious, the nightmares, the anxiety, the depression.

The man is a total psychopath. I sent him a letter asking him to tick a box to say he was sorry. It could not possibly have been traced to him had he chosen to return it. I sent a stamped addressed envelope with it. It would have taken him all of 60 seconds. He did not bother, choosing instead to leave me suffering and needing an apology rather than wast 60 seconds of his life to help someone who's life he ruined. I am currently off work suffering from depression and anxiety.



Pam Morgan

Sharada said...

Thanks William, interesting site, trying to figure Derren Brown out is no easy task!

Sharada said...

Zing, I wonder if he will start to have a gay following now? Can you imagine gay clubbers wearing his t-shirt and wearing fake goatees?

Sharada said...

Pam, after your first comment I thought, hmm, you seem to know your stuff, interesting, but when I read your second comment, I must admit I was taken back a bit! It's very hard to reply to a comment like that, given that I don't even know you and that I wouldn't want to risk being insensitive or assuming in any way. I must admit though, I did think of you when I read in the paper today about how the laws have changed regarding the conviction of rapists, there is no longer a time span in which you need to do this by. I am sorry to hear you are not feeling well at the moment and I hope you find your peace. It seems to me that some kind of justice, or at least acknowledgement is needed by you. I hope you can find the strength to do whatever it takes to get your life back. x

Pam said...

Sharada, thanks but the police have already told me there is nothing they can do because there is no forensic evidence now 15 years later. Given that Derren has not apologized regardless of how non incriminating or easy I make it for him I am resigned to metaphorically kicking the shit out of him for the rest of my life or until he does apologize. Funny because I never get a mention, he prefers to mention the Jesus Christs of this world as his accusers of rape, not the Dr. at Bristol University. I am going to be a permanent headache for him that just never stops!

William, sorry I did not mean to crib your idea, I have been racing myself and came to the conclusion last autumn that the only way to reliably win is bet on every horse in the race. You can't make any money doing that though! That's why he "can't make money" himself out of this system.

I think the bastard tells her that his system involves making different people bet on every horse just after she places the huge bet. He is so ugly. Who does that to single mothers? Who does that to anyone? He needs sorting out and so do his production crew.

Logistically, if you make the broad base film themselves you drop the workload, the only stuff that needs editing then is the ultimate winner/looser.

Pam said...

Notice he appears responsible on TV. But that's the public persona. He has cost me 15 years of my life, any chance of having a family and hundreds of thousands in lost earnings to date! Wouldn't it be good if he offered to give that back! Plus the effect to my career during the first eight years whilst the trauma ate it's way out. My first year at Bristol produced 4 academic publications. There was nothing then till 2002. God knows where I would be and what I would have been earning if he hadn't messed me up.

She thought she hated him for costing her 4 grand!

It's not like it's over for me. I get £87pw sick benefit!

So don't be fooled into thinking this man has a conscience.

I tested for it - there is none.

Pam Morgan


Yep, the victims filmed themselves.

And I expect he backed every horse in the last race as well. Probably swapping the paper in her hand for the winner during the last furlong of the race, she would have been so distracted then.

Sick to play with peoples feelings and lives. Just should not have told her the system until he had given her the money. Am I the only person who can see how repulsive that is? It's like he feeds off other peoples trauma.

Pam said...

You may be interested in this - it's an insight into who Derren is happy to hide behind rather than do the right thing.


----- Original Message -----
From: Pam Morgan
To: coopy@derrenbrown.co.uk
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 2:11 PM
Subject: You should pass this to Derren - last chance


Derren,



I have your address, 49 Bickenhall, Lara's address, and your parents address. I used to be a very compassionate person. Just went along minding my own business. Harsh experiences change people!


I need an apology and I need to fully remember because the flashbacks are a living hell and believe me,I am not going to spend the rest of my life there alone when I can take you fuckwits with me. I also need to know if Robin did that of his own free will or you forced him.


There is nothing but compassion stopping me posting that information any time I want. Trust me it's a real temptation. I could fuck your xmas, you have fucked enough of mine.

I am giving you my word (and you bloody well know I am good for it), You face me and apologize and help and I will not post that information nor will I go to the press. My word.

You don't and I will.


You have until the end of this year to decide. It's your choice. I am giving you a choice. More than you gave me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Failure to respond to this message will be taken as you giving permission for me to post the addresses.


It's your choice for yourself and them, not mine.


My choice is to get that apology I need and recall so I can deal.


Incidentally, how does it feel to have someone fucking with your life. Do you actually ever think about what you are doing before you play with peoples minds? With peoples lives? Or do you see it as a God given right. I can so I will.


To quote Robin "sometimes he fucks people up"

Pam "Why"

Robin "I don't know, just because he can I think"


NICE!





You put shit in you get shit out! Like attracts like.


So I guess you are someone who really deserves shivering nutters, (You don't hear Blane complain about shivering nutters do you).

I expect God does know what the USA will bring.



Just imagine all those "shivering nutters" knowing where you all live. Shivering nutters just like you!


Still, technically it won't be my fault, it will be yours!


Think on it.


Pam

Pam said...

Note they just "offered" to give the other victims their bets back. They did not say we "gave" the money back!

What did you do Derren, make em say no!

Pam said...

3 years of persistent nagging - developing a conscience are we? About time. One woman £13,000 better off. If you had not told her about the system until after you gave her the money I would be impressed. Tell the viewers, fine, thats not cruel - but to tell her!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sick, ugly, psychopathic, cruel, repulsive, selfish, sadistic, and totally unnecessary!

But then people like you don't relate to money in any ordinary way do you. Ever had to go without food? No, thought not.

Unfortunately you still fit the psycho profile. That is you care only about what people think and see, not about right and wrong.

Your failure to tick a box clearly illustrates my point!


Oh, and there are so many places I can get internet access so get me banned and see where it gets you.

WW3

James said...

WTF. What the hell is this Pam talking about? Derren is gay why would she rape you lol. I think thats just some distorted and twisted fantasy you have.

Pam said...

Really, seams he has mentioned many ex-girlfriends in previous interviews. Funny that he only came out as gay 48 hours after my phone call. Oh yes and there is the fantasy he shares: ” Psychological illusionist Derren Brown, 36: “I don’t know, actually, but what would be very sexy for me would be Carol Vorderman kissing Angela Rippon.”

Oh and would any one like to post the the episode of trick of the mind where he is positively leering at some girls legs during a table moving stunt. Cause that is totally normal behaviour for all gay men right!

Derren Brown has cost me my life you moron.

ARE YOU ONE OF THOSE SICK BRAIN DEAD MORONIC MEN WHO THINK WOMEN FANTASIZE ABOUT RAPE?

Klasu said...

Here you can see his show again.

http://www.guba.com/watch/3000116883

james said...

Pam, your whole idea of hypnose is false. You can not hypnose people to forget something for years, thats a medical fact, so it is obvious that you are fantasising this or lying. Do you have any proof that you even knew Derren back then? Photos would be nice.
Personally I think that your case is like alien abductee's, but converted to year 2008 and with Derren being the alien =)

james said...

And I suppose you recorded the phonecall righ? We would like to hear that too =) Don't tell me you were too stupid NOT to record it...

Pam said...

James,


I worked with a guy who was a friend of Derren's. I recently met another guy who could confirm that they were all friends. I would suggest you email c.frankish@bristol.ac.uk to confirm what I have been going through or alternatively the mutual friend Tim Tyler at seemysig@googlemail.com who I met the same night I made the call

Finally I can prove the call because the number will be listed on my bill and could be traced through my phone company. You could also ask M Vine to play it to you...I left an answer phone message!

Your sensitivity is overwhelming but then that is what I have come to expect from a Derren Brown fan, especially one who is warped enough to think this would be a fantasy for any woman. Interesting, first you accuse me of having a fantasy, now we are on to a parallel between this and alien abduction. When you have checked you are going to have to admit to yourself I am telling the truth!

Furthermore I would like to point out I am the only person who worked out how they overcame the logistical problems of filming the system hours before the show aired This demonstrates the general intelligence of the Derren Brown fan base. You included!

Strange that Tim who was a friend of both Robin and Derren did not doubt me for a second! In fact he sent me a lovely email the same day Derren came out! (3 day's after I initially met Tim for the first time). Below is part of that mail.

Subject: Pam's world
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 12:20:58 +0100
From: Tim Tyler
To: Pam Morgan


Dear Pam,

I've been thinking about you. You made quite an impression.

In the space of our brief meetings, you managed to come
across as a sensitive and emotional creature. I thought
it was beautiful.

Frankly, the thought of you being vulnerable makes me
feel quite protective; the thought of you hurting
makes me ............

Strange isn't it that the most supportive and caring comment comes from someone who was still seeing Derren socially until c.6 years ago! Tim and Derren knew each other for years!


Feel free to check!!!!!!!!!

Finally, you have seen Derren make audiences forget entire live shows, the gathering, films and none of the people in trick or treat remember. Have you forgotten he made a woman forget she was a concert pianist for a week! Perhaps your memory is faulty!

I remembered what he had done to me over Xmas 2002. I have been trying to get an apology since 2005 when I eventually managed to get out of bed after the trauma ate it's way out of me.

In 2002 to my knowledge he had not made anyone forget anything on TV. Yet his actions since support what I am saying.

Medicine does not fully understand hypnosis and there is much argument in the field about how and why it works.

You have all the information you need to check. I would suggest you refrain from a reply until you have! You will find I am not making it up!

Oh and do work on your sensitivity, clearly it needs much of work!

This could have happened to YOUR MOTHER....HOW WOULD YOU FEEL THEN? NOT NEARLY AS BAD AS SHE WOULD!

Pam said...

James,


I have scanned my bill and sent the relevant portion to Sharada, asking her if she can post it.

Contained is M Vines number and the date and times of the calls I made to their answer phone that night.

Unfortunately I am unable to copy the image into this window or I would have!

James said...

Pam,
The reason she forget everything for the week in Trick or Treat was that she actively used Derren's hypno-program on the laptop. And they had other sessions. And the people who forgot the shows didnt forget them for YEARS...

I really have trouble to believe you forget everything for years..
I dont actually mind what Derren does in his freetime, if he rapes people thats his probelm, I dont care. I like him as a magician, and Im not defending him because I'm such a fan and cant believe he would do something like that, I just dont believe what you say, your story is very odd and lacks a lot of detail.

I dont accuse you being stupid either, but rather little mental. I dont understand why one should behave like you do bashing Derren on the internet and spreading these rape-stories when there are alot of wiser options to do.

"I am unable to copy the image into this window or I would have!" How very convenient. And you didnt record the phone call either?

Do you have any facts at all? You can make up emails and addresses, they don't prove nothing. Why dont you gather some real evidence before you go mental on these internet-boards? Why do you think anyone even cares what you write here? Why dont you tell your story to some major newspaper? What do you get from this? And by the way "Tim Tyler's" email to you looked like he had somewhat of a crush for you. I didnt find any references to Derren or any rape on that. All I know, you could wrote it yourself.

Your style of writing also clearly indicates that your very upset and perhaps somewhat obsessed with this. I would also like to know what was your relationship with Derren, how did you meet him, what did you do and details of that time would be great to clear this thing up a bit.

I'm sure you understand its just your word against celebrity, and there are alot of nutters out there bashing celebrities off about this and that, and clearly just writing tons of accusations of some celebrity is not very convincing for the rest of us, don't you think ? Can we also get your real name and facts what you do now?

Pam said...

James,

THE REASON SHE FORGOT WAS BECAUSE LIKE EVERYONE ELSE HE TOLD HER TO. YOUR INABILITY TO BELIEVE THAT IT IS POSSIBLE TO MAKE SOMEONE FORGET FOR YEARS IS YOUR PROBLEM. I EXPECT DERREN WAS PLANNING THAT I WOULD NEVER REMEMBER.


I have given you 2 email addresses and Saharada has an image of my bill. As you clearly have a problem understanding the English Language I will reiterate that.

Clearly you have not emailed either Clive or Tim. It is always a matter of interest for me that none of Derren's fans will take the time to do that. They are always happy to call me a lier but never happy to pursue anything that will back me up.

Mail them! In fact anybody mail them!

Tim is a lovely sensitive kind guy who could see how much pain I am in.

James, again I see your overwhelming sensitivity is abound! You do not care if Derren Brown rapes , it's his problem. NO YOU BRAIN DEAD MORON IT IS THE VICTIM WHO SUFFERS! ME!


OK - IT IS NOW CLEAR TO ME I AM DEALING WITH A TOTAL IDIOT WHO HAS PROBLEMS WITH LANGUAGE COMPREHENSION OR YOU WOULD KNOW THE ANSWERS ARE ALREADY PRESENTED . MY NAME IS Dr. PAM MORGAN, I AM LISTED ON THE SITE I LINK TO AS IS CLIVE FRANKISH
AND YOU HAVE HIS EMAIL ADDRESS SO YOU CAN CHECK!

TRY TO PAST AN IMAGE INTO THE COMMENT WINDOW YOURSELF AND YOU WILL SEE IT WAS NOT AT ALL CONVENIENT BUT NOT POSSIBLE!

YOUR WRITTEN STYLE INDICATES A LACK OF EDUCATION.

SHAME ON YOU FOR YOUR APPALLING ATTITUDE TO RAPE AND SHAME ON YOUR MOTHER FOR BRINGING YOU UP WITH SUCH AN APPALLING ATTITUDE TO RAPE!

MAIL CLIVE AND TIM YOU HAVE THEIR EMAIL. USE YOU BRAIN CHECK, OR ARE YOU SCARED OF WHAT YOU MIGHT FIND.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Clive Frankish" c.frankish@bristol.ac.uk
To: "Pam Morgan"
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: For safe keeping only no msg.

Pam said...

James,

click the link under my name on this comment and it will take you to a scanned image of my phone bill!

I trust you can manage that!

James said...

Pam,
why you think some email addresses prove that you have been raped? All we know they might be created by you.
If they are not, what do these people know? Did they witness the rape?

Thanks for the scanned phonebill, Im not sure if thats Derren's number but I take your word for it.
Funny to see the times you have called him and the length of discussions. Seems like harrasments calls to me.

What did you get out of this? Why dont you tell your rape-storie to some newspaper? Maybe cause they wont take you seriously. You threatend Derren earlier that you would take your story to a newspaper, and he had time to the end of 2007.

It also seems pretty weird for me that you are clearly obsessed with Derren and watch his specials and write deep analysis of them. What kind of people would like to know what her rapist is doing currently?
I would imagine one would want to forget the person.

What do you get out of this Pam? You dont have ANY evidence, just your word against major celebrity, and you think this bashing on various internet-boards is the best way for you? Dont you realise that nobody will take you seriously? If you really were rapen by Derren, there would alot wiser options to do than this you are doing.

You didnt answer my other questions either. How did you know Derren, tell us abit of the background.
Why didnt you record the phonecalls?
What did those calls contain?

And it is impossible to hypnotise someone to forget things for years, that is a fact. Clearly you dont understand much of hypnotism. Read a book perhaps.

How do we even know your Dr. Pam Morgan? Can you prove it? Picture would be nice also!

"MAIL CLIVE AND TIM YOU HAVE THEIR EMAIL. USE YOU BRAIN CHECK, OR ARE YOU SCARED OF WHAT YOU MIGHT FIND."

Can you see that is like the text of a madman? What the fuck would "Clive" or "Tim" verify anyway? Do you think I should email them that did Derren rape Pam?
And as I said, I dont actually care what Derren does and what he is like, all I care is he good ententainer and I love his magic. I also love Woody Allen's movies despite he married her daughter. I dont care.

I know some rapevictims and people being molested as child and they recovered alot better than you, being raped by handsome celebrity that many women fantasize about. Check any Derren fan-forum if you dont believe in me.

"Mail them! In fact anybody mail them!"
Errrr... Why?

"YOUR WRITTEN STYLE INDICATES A LACK OF EDUCATION."

Or perhaps it reveals that I dont speak english as my first language.
Your style of writing indicates that you clearly dont have all the cards in your deck, if we put it nicely.

"NO YOU BRAIN DEAD MORON IT IS THE VICTIM WHO SUFFERS! ME!"

Get over it?

"SHAME ON YOU FOR YOUR APPALLING ATTITUDE TO RAPE AND SHAME ON YOUR MOTHER FOR BRINGING YOU UP WITH SUCH AN APPALLING ATTITUDE TO RAPE!"

Hey cmon now, lets not get personal. Leave my mama out of this.

"OK - IT IS NOW CLEAR TO ME I AM DEALING WITH A TOTAL IDIOT WHO HAS PROBLEMS WITH LANGUAGE COMPREHENSION OR YOU WOULD KNOW THE ANSWERS ARE ALREADY PRESENTED . MY NAME IS Dr. PAM MORGAN, I AM LISTED ON THE SITE I LINK TO AS IS CLIVE FRANKISH
AND YOU HAVE HIS EMAIL ADDRESS SO YOU CAN CHECK!"

I have really no clue if you really even are Dr. Pam Morgan. You know my real name isnt James either?
And as I said, email addresses dont prove anything. You could make them up and even if they are real people, what do they know?

Pam said...

To the brain dead moron alias James.

Prove to yourself who I am, mail Clive or Tim.

I have known Clive for 15 yrs so I believe he will be able to confirm my identity and the change in my character and productivity at the time.


Don't question my identity again, confirm it!

I tell you what, I will send some psychopathic rapist round to your house to destroy your career and your life and leave you with post traumatic stress disorder, anxiety and depression and then see how angry you feel about it.

What do I get out of it, I get to metaphorically beat the crap out of you and release some anger.

I also get to give Derren a headache and hopefully lots more stalkers. I really hope it is teaching him what it feels like not to feel safe in his own home.


Clearly you have the empathetic capacity of a hungry rattlesnake. I am unable to forget it, it haunts my life. I watch his bloody programs so that I can rip the bastard apart for his psychopathic behaviour to others. I need to continuously release anger because if I did not I do not know what I would do. Frankly I need to effect a change in his attitude and behaviour because my suffering would have achieved something. I know by means I have no intention of revealing to you so don't bother to ask that what I say does get through to him.

I don't need you to believe me. Derren knows what he has done. I know what he has done. If I can't forget it I am certainly not going to permit him to!

When I sent him a box to tick to say he was sorry there was another option. Just keep putting up with the shit. Maybe he feels he deserves the shit. It was not the option I wanted him to take but it is the one he chose.

The police have the details of this crime so ask them!

Again, shame on you for your appalling attitude to rape, and shame on your mother for allowing it.

Oh and this time I have linked to M Vine's contact page so you can confirm the number.

lioness79 said...

Pam, I did contact Clive using the email address you gave - the email came back as there is no such email address, it does not exist! I have worked with rape victims and, while people react different, I have never met anyone who has reacted like you. Most are unable to face their attacker and even look at them never mind watch them on TV and give them a box to tick "yes I am sorry", sorry is NEVER enough. I am assuming you have received NO form of therapy but why if you are so traumatised. You tell people to "ask the police" knowing full well that police are unable to give out any information regarding anything. The phone number you are showing on your bill is Derren's agent NOT his personal number so I have no idea why you are calling them at 12am and 4am when you know full well no one will be there. You name Colin and Tim and how they can back you up but you say all they can verify is your name and a change in your behaviour - proves nothing. While Im not meaning to offend you, I think if you were telling the truth you would be going about this in a whole different way. Go back to the police! While it was a long time ago, the laws have changed where time isnt an issue. Giving out his apparent home address and the address of those closest to him is an act of a stalker and that is a very serious crime. Hypnosis CANT erase memory for that long as others have said. You are never going to get any kind of closure posting messages on a message board as Derren is obviously ignoring you and that is not the action of a guilty man, he has a lot to lose and would try and silence you in some way. I think whether you have been sexually assaulted or not, you DO need some form of help. Ever heard of the term "cry wolf"? Oh and yes, rape CAN be a fantasy for some men AND women. I think if you WANT people to take you seriously (which obviously you do or you wouldnt be here), start answering people's questions instead of ignoring them. Were you this forthcoming with the police? No wonder they did nothing about it!

PAM said...

c.frankish@bristol.ac.uk

CLEARLY YOU MADE A TYPING ERROR BECAUSE I LAST MAILED CLIVE ON 13/02/08 AND THE ADDRESS WORKED FINE THEN.



You also made a reading error:

CLIVE NOT COLIN


MOST PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO ENDURE THE TRAUMA EATING IT'S WAY OUT OF THEM FOR YEARS.


ARE THEY ANGRY? ANGRY AS I AM? DO THEY WANT TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THEIR ATTACKER? DO THEY WANT REVENGE? YOU NOTICE I AM POSTING HIS ADDRESS NOT SITTING OUTSIDE HIS HOUSE!

THE TICK BOX WAS POSTED

THE AGENT HAS AN ANSWER PHONE

CLEARLY YOU ARE NOT A RAPE COUNCILOR!

DERREN IS IGNORING ME BECAUSE IF HE TOOK ME TO COURT THE WORLD WOULD FIND OUT THAT

1. I WOULD PASS A LIE DETECTOR
2. HE DOES KNOW ME
3. HE KNOWS HE HAS DONE THIS TO ME

I HAVE BEEN BACK TO THE POLICE, THEY CAN NOT DO ANYTHING SO I AM!

CLEARLY YOU ARE ANOTHER DERREN BROWN FAN

lioness79 said...

Pam, I double checked the email before I sent it and it did not send. I did not say I was a rape councellor! Of course, all rape victims are ANGRY want revenge but posting his address on the internet is not revenge it makes you look stupid and childish. There is no difference to posting his address than sitting outside his house, either way he will get stalker on his doorstep. Why speak with his agent and leave messages on his answer phone? That doesnt make sense. You said an apology and him paying you off would be enough so it wouldnt have to come to court, he could silence you that way and that in itself is not the norm rape victim wants, its JUSTICE! Police have to take every claim seriously. Yet again you decide to ignore the questions people ask you regerding proof. Sometimes, actions speak louder than words. Makes no difference WHO Im a fan of but I know bullsh*t when I smell it and you're covered in it!

Pam said...

I have linked this to Clive's web page so you can see his bloody email address. Clearly you have not tried to send an email!

Derren is always complaining about stalkers, well thanks to me he can have a few more. Resting during his tour should be tricky! It is a tactic to make the man pay for the wrong he has done me. It is the best Justice I can get!

to quote you:

"either way he will get stalker on his doorstep"

Yes, exactly hopefully lots and lots of stalkers.

I can't prove it or I would have put him in prison. The police did take it seriously but say they can't take it to court. I can only show he moved in the same circles as I did. It is tricky to prove rape 8 years after the event!


Why phone his agent and leave angry messages? ANGER. I would much rather be screaming it into Derrens face myself but he will not face me.

IMAGINE HOW FUCKING ANGRY YOU FEEL WHEN SOMEONE DESTROYS YOUR LIFE AND THEY CAN NOT EVEN BE BOTHERED TO TICK A FUCKING BOX WHICH WOULD NOT INCRIMINATE THEM BUT GIVE YOU THE APOLOGY YOU NEED. I AM A HUMAN BEING WHO HAS BEEN SO BADLY WRONGED BY THIS MAN AND TICKING A BOX IS TOO MUCH TROUBLE FOR HIM TO GO TO. JUST IMAGINE THE FUCKING ANGER INVOLVED. OH YES OF COURSE YOU ARE A DERREN BROWN FAN. SO FAR I HAVE ONLY ENCOUNTERED ONE OF THEM WHO HAS THE ABILITY TO EMPATHIZE. BUT THEN I GUESS IT IS TRUE WHAT THEY SAY, LIKE ATTRACTS LIKE WHICH IS WHY DERREN'S FAN BASE IS MADE UP OF PSYCHOPATHS.

FRANKLY I WOULD FIND IT REALLY INTERESTING FROM A PSYCHOLOGY PERSPECTIVE TO GET A RANDOM SAMPLE OF HIS CORE FANS AND GET THEM TO FILL IN A PSYCHOPATHY QUESTIONNAIRE, THE HYPOTHESIS BEING THEY WOULD SCORE SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER THAN THE GENERAL POPULATION ON THE MEASURE OF PSYCHOPATHY.

Bullshit! Well you don't smell it on me but I smell it on you and now everyone who clicks the link to Clive will know you are full of it!

.bristol
.bris

still gets you there which ever you type!

Pam said...

Oh, and thanks for your assistance because I have checked and you have no blogs but so far 7 profile views. So tonight alone 7 individuals have viewed you profile. I wonder what proportion who are reading this and spreading the word are not viewing your profile?

I guess most are finding out where he lives.

His Home address is linked to this page chaps. Go see him I am sure he would love to see you all. Ha Ha!


Thanks for assisting me to spread the word about Derren's home address so effectively.

Oh and don't forget I did give him fair warning! He made that choice. No lies like he normally feeds his victims. I was straight!


I love it when a plan comes together!


REVENGE IS A DISH BEST SERVED COLD but this will do in the mean time!

lioness79 said...

I re-tried sending that email, it hasnt been returned as a "no such email" as yet so I apologise for that as it was obviously my error but that is all I apologise for. Yet again you avaid the questions people ask you regarding how you met him etc. They are only questions that you have to answer but obviously you CANT, not wont! I have heard in MANY cases where rape victims get justice 10, 20 even 30 years after the event so there isnt any reason in hell why you shouldnt. I also know of rape cases that have ZERO evidence - they go to court. I think if ticking a box is all it would take to shut you up, I think Derren would do it but he obviously isnt going to admit to something he hasnt done. I do agree that his fanbase seems to be mostly FANATICAL maniacs and thats the very reason I keep away from them but looks like I ran into one on this blog. If Derren is a rapist, all it would take was you to go PUBLIC with this and a lot more women may stand up with you. If he has done it to you he has probably done it to others yes? Why not go the press? They print anything with little or no evidence! You have also not told me why you havent received any form of therapy! Lets play devils advocate here for a moment, lets say you did get raped. A: if his hypnosis earased your memory for years then go and have it done again. B: go and get regressed back to the awful day, it may help with things. C: confront Derren. There are many ways you could do this either at his home or on tour at the stage door when he comes out. Something tells me you wont do anything to help yourself. Maybe you have had one bad dream one night, woke up and thought it has been real (i.e False Memory Syndrome - when a person has flashbacks of sexual abuse that did not happen. Look it up, it is very interesting and comes on VERY suddenly). You wouldnt be the first! Also, how do you actualy KNOW he raped you? You dont remember anything, you just have flashbacks yes? You have no rememberence of the actual event. I also dont appreciate being labelled mad with all the other fangirls just because I refuse to believe your flacid story that has so many holes I could strain my pasta with it. Oh, and dont type in caps, the more you shout the less I hear you!

lioness79 said...

I dont care who finds his address, you are the one who posted it up, not me. Maybe all the people who come here look at you and shake their heads in disbelief. You are sick and twisted and in dire need of help! I pity you dear because we all know full well you have not been raped by Derren, Santa Claus or the effing tooth fairy. You are some pissed off fan trying to get her revenge on Derren because he probably rejected you in some way. Get over it, move on. You aint convincing no one! I think someone has took too many drugs!

lioness79 said...

"I am resigned to metaphorically kicking the shit out of him for the rest of my life or until he does apologize."

Then I hope your life is short!

lioness79 said...

http://amateurtransplants.blogspot.com/2007/02/back.html

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.magic.secrets/browse_thread/thread/1a5161ecf5320704/c2946a0eea542eeb?lnk=gst&q=+derren+brown+the+heist&rnum=1&hl=en#c2946a0eea542eeb

My, my, you have been busy havent you Pam!! *yawn* Im done with this thread, your a joke Pam!!

Pam said...

God it amazes me that whatever evidence I give anyone who cares to argue I am a lier no matter what.

According to you people first I am not

Dr. Pam Morgan
No calls were made to Derrens agent and I gave you a bogus email address.

Well you are wrong on three counts so far!

Frankly the details are my business! You people would not and never have shown any empathy, but then that is traditional for the crime of rape.

The woman on whom the film the accused was based topped herself 12 months after the trial because people were spitting at her on the street!

Prove I have not been raped! You don't KNOW anything. You were not there I was and you defiantly were not there.

Given I worked in the psychology department I am well versed with false memory syndrome. I could entertain the possibility that this was a false memory if I had not suffered years of nightmares immediately after not to mention all the other symptoms. I did actually seek advice from an expert. She said it depends on collaborative evidence. For example nightmares, insomnia, anxiety, depression. Oh and then there is the fact that Tim Tyler was able to confirm for me that Derren and Robin were friends as I have been saying for fucking years.

The only thing I can't prove is that he did it. Unfortunately I am the one living with the consequences, but thanks for replying, because I expect the consequences will be filtering into his life as I type!


You say I am sick and twisted! WOW

Derren so far on national TV:

Incite people to steel (that is actually a crime)

Play with peoples emotions in a fake seance

Play with peoples belief in God

Make some poor bastard think they were responsible for destroying the Sun.

Make someone think they were dead.

Need I go on? For fucks sake if I am sick and twisted in your view what the fuck does that make him?

Hammer nails into people

Make people experience physical pain

Drop some poor fuck into a zombie game.

He likes to terrorize doesn't he?

PSYCHOPATH or sociopath is the correct term for someone like him.

Oh and I guess you were bullshitting about working with rape victims because no one who did would respond as you have. Clearly you are not qualified to give me advice!

Oh and I know why I am here but you must be a fairly obsessive fan to be so dedicated in defending him! In your eyes he can do no wrong, even when he clearly has!

See the list above all on camera!

For me the mission on this site has been accomplished but thanks for your assistance in publicizing his home address, it is appreciated. So all those obsessive fans he has can now go to his home and obsess there! Should be interesting for him getting in and out.

Pam = Boring said...

Pam, you've been posting this crap about Derren everywhere online for years now. A simple Google search proves this. He didn't come out "48 hours after receiving a phone call". None of your stories even match up, they change each time. You've been laughed off of every forum from here to Wikipedia. Seriously, you need to see a psychiatrist, its getting old. Really old.

lioness79 said...

Ive been doing my research on you Pam and all I see on MANY sites is your crap!! Even at this blog:

http://aloadofbright.wordpress.com/2007/03/31/a-tribute-to-derren-brown/

I noticed how the information and dates you give CHANGE to the ones you give here. Your stories never match which is odd consering how much this has effected you. Face it, HE DIDNT RAPE YOU and even if he did, fuck, Id still do him!! Oh, and I said that the email I said never came back as fake, I apologised but thats selective reading for you I guess! I dont give a shit WHO knows you, WHO knows that Derren and this Robin are friends. Just because they are friends DOESNT mean they are rapists! You also list a number of Derren's routines that somehow proves he is a bastard when, in reality, he comes up with about 5% of what is in the show so he wont have thought up those routines anyway! You can carry on with this or you can eff off because you are doing no harm to Derren, its only his fans that are getting pissed with you, he'll be nicely tucked up in bed with his teddy, sucking his thumb cos he is such a sweetheart like that you know! How many years do you have to do this before you realise that NO ONE (apart from the odd gullible idiot) believes you!! GET A LIFE!!

Anonymous said...

"I know, Ive been raped by a celeb. Ill go onto miscellanious blogs and sprout my shit instead of getting proper help."

FFS you are saaaad and the saddest thing is you think people actually give a shit where he lives? Im obsessed with him but I couldnt give a rats arse where he lives. DE-LU-DED!

sPam said...

Pam raped me!

It's true 'cause I sent her an email with a checkbox saying "did you rape me?" and she never replied.

Proof positive.

PS. I want money.

Ziisus said...

I just talked to Derren, infact Pam raped Derren. And Derren went all homosexual afterwards!

Anonymous said...

lioness79 here:
Pam, I have not read anything of what you have posted sine *I* last posted but I did receive an email from Clive and here it is:

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/4465/pammorgandd4.gif

Hope that clears things up!! Now stop this!! Glad you posted up an email of someone who thinks you are a liar!

Anonymous said...

Pam was Derren's cock a humdinger?

Anonymous said...

I was raped by Derren and I enjoyed every second of it.

Anonymous said...

Oh, I my sister had sex woith Derrena nd she remembered every glorious thrust, If Derren had raped you and was soooo evul he wouold have had you remember every evul moment of it!

cut-offf said...

To Pam:

Incredible. That's what this BS is. Incredible.

I'm a pure fangirl. I love his work, the shows, the tv specials, the little tricks as well as the bigger ones. I love his smile, his voice, everything, I love the stuff he says and does BUT GUESS WHAT:

To have his address doesn't mean ANYTHING ELSE to me but the opportunity to fly over and protect him from the crazy characters such as yourself.

I can't imagine what happened to you (don't say "rape" cause I'm not buying that even if you posted video clips from now on) to make you sucha bitter and angry person. You're so lost.

For yourself, and of course for Derren's sake, I really really hope you get help. Soon.

Do something about it. Reading about your progress in getting healthier & over this, whatever you're going thru, would be so much more interesting to read....

cut-offf said...

lioness79, thanks :D that message brightened up my night a bit.

How sad Clive has to deal with this too, though.

Anonymous said...

cut-offf:

Clive has obviously had to deal with it for many years, poor bloke!

Sharada said...

lioness79, I can't seem to get your link to work and would really like to see Clive's response. Maybe you could email it to me or copy and post the reply as a comment? Thanks. I'm in suspense.

James said...

Hahahaa, way to go Pam. And now you are too afraid/ashamed to reply here anymore, eh?
Your busted, nutcase. Case closed.

james said...

Sharada, it works. Just copypaste the address carefully.

cut-offf said...

She's probably off to a new place, where people have to read all this from the beginning and have the same ol' arguments.. you should see my rolling eyes atm.

cut-offf said...

OH and Scrummy Mamma... I'm SO SO SO sorry you got caught in the middle of this.. must suck big time! :)

Zing said...

Well, that was quite the read. I suppose if I were in her position, I would sue. Not in criminal court, but in civil court. I don't know how that works in the UK though...I would be afraid if I was spamming the internets that someone might sue me for libel... no matter how real my claim is.

Anyway. I have this great eyeliner...anyone want to draw on a goattee and go gay clubbing with me?

Sharada said...

James, anyone, I can't get the bleedin link to work, I've definitley copied and pasted the whole link but it just ends up on one of those search sites. Bummer. Cutoff, I guess I just found it quite fascinating, I think I'm resigned to concluding that Pam actually does believe everything she says. It's a tragic story really. Most of the time though, I was reading all the comments thinking....are ANY of you lot in the slightest bit interested in reading my blog?!! Nah, thought not. :-}

Anonymous said...

I did email you a copy of the link Sharada, maybe you havent checked your inbox? Anyway, today I received an email from Michael Vine and he said he has got in touch with the police and the special care unti are supposed to be caring for her :/

I have tried to halve the link so you can see it, paste both halves of the link together in your browser:

http://img249.imageshack.us/
img249/4465/pammorgandd4.gif

james said...

OK Sharada, I read your blog about Derren and have to comment something...

"
To be honest I went off him a bit when I read his book. He is an illusionist, an entertainer. I was expecting something a bit lighthearted, but it was just one huge rant, and many things got my goat. His dislike for religion and alternative therapies was quite offensive and totally irrelevant. I don't care what you think Derren, I just like the way you do your hocus pocus, talk about that. I found a lot of what he wrote was hypocritical and misleading. I thought he was so vain to think that we would be that interested the narrow minded views of an entertainer. "


Big part of Derren's mission is scepticism, and it is very common with magicians to be sceptists and really talk about it. Magicians such as Houdini, Penn & Teller, Amazing Randi and Criss Angel have all take their part in debunking these things.

Derren has every right to talk about religion, if you are offended by it, please do not read or otherwise support him.

There is no evidence that for example homeophaty works at all, so I think it is fair to say that out aloud too. Derren's site advertices the book like this:
"old with humour and honesty, TRICKS OF THE MIND reveals:

1. the techniques of several mystifying magic tricks
2. Brown's personal views on religion and atheism.
3. the mix of honesty and trickery that magic demands
4. what goes into his ground-breaking television work
5. the truth behind practices such as the Ouija Board
6. the paranormal industry, exposes a few charlatans and looks at why some of us feel the need to believe in it in the first place...
7. memory techniques, hypnosis and Neurolinguistic Programming
8. how to read clues and spot lies in people's behaviour
"
So why did you read it all in the first place?

I did like reading Derren's thoughts about religion and paranormal, and so did every other friend that read the book. I think you got offensed because you believe in the things he was debunking :)

Doctor.Robert said...

I have just come across this thread, and have read some of the material with deep concern. There is a much in what you write that is familiar from my professional experience.

Pam, if you are still monitoring this, then please reflect on your actions. You are not at fault, but you are at risk. Read this, and then I urge you to seek professional help.

http://www.patient.co.uk/showdoc/40001365/

Sharada said...

Thanks Lioness79, I hadn't checked my emails but did get your email in the end and the link worked in the end too.

I just feel for the girl, I don't think she is actually enjoying any of this. She obviously needs help and I don't think we should be attacking her.

James, of course Derren has the right to talk about religion, just as I have the right to talk about Derren's book and how it made me feel. It just wasn't quite what I was expecting and you are wrong to say that if I am offended by it, that I shouldn't read it or support him! That's ridiculous. I can still watch his shows and not like the guy or what he stands for. I can still think he is an incredible illusionist with huge sex appeal and be a great fan of his work, and at the same time think he is a smug know it all git who thinks he is funny but really isn't (his uncle jokes throughout his book really gave cringing a whole new dimension).

I could have stopped reading his book at any time, but I found it interesting to know his points of view, even though I don't necessarily agree with them. When we read books, it's ok to have negative reactions to it, we don't have to enjoy every book we read or agree with everything that is written in it. I don't regret reading it.

Why did I read the book in the first place? Because I'm a fan of his work. I didn't read the advert for his book on his website; my sister asked me what I wanted for xmas and I told her I noticed Derren had a book out.

I'm glad you and 'every other friend' that read the book enjoyed it but that doesn't make it a good book, there are undoubtedly thousands of people out there who read the book and didn't enjoy it. I can't be the only one! Anyway, to be honest I did enjoy some of the book, I never said I hated it.

Yes, you are right, I did get offended by some of the things he debunked, maybe I shouldn't have. But one thing that annoyed me that stands out in particular and to use as an example, is the mention of child immunisation, how because of one bogus report, parents everywhere stop immunising their children and implied (I can't actually be arsed to get the book and quote) but he implied that this would cause harm to children.
There is loads of evidence, many found in medical journals, which show that immunisation does more harm than good. I was angry because he is obviously not well researched on the subject and dumbs down the actions of many concerned parents, who did not merely decide to stop immunising because of one report, but DID decide to look into it more and base their decision on their findings. As a parent, I thought it was a terrible and irresponsible example to use.

My other thought is, that although Derren is obviously entitled to his opinions, and may not care what some people think, some of these people have been loyal fans and surely he has some debt to them, enough to not practically laugh in their faces and imply they are stupid. I'm not really talking about myself here, (cos I ain't bovvered) just a general thought.

James said...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immunization
can you find any harmful evidence there? And quick googling also clearly shows that you are wrong, Derren right! =)

Sharada said...

Wikpedia and google searching does not prove that I am wrong and Derren is right. There is always evidence on the internet to support what you believe in (www.vaccination.co.uk, www.909shot.com etc.). It is not about being right or wrong, it's about making an informed choice. I believe I am making the right choice, and I respect other parents who DO decide to immunise their children because they believe it is the right thing to do.

James said...

Ok, it is your choice, but I myself would trust to the mainstream of science currently more.

I did a 5 minute search on the subject and it was clear that people that are against immunization are minority, and that tells alot by itself.

Also the bit I know about this subject is clear that millions of children would be dead in Africa without immunization.

But you are free to believe whatever you like. I would like to know why you did that choice though, as it is clear that majority of the people wold disagree with you.

Sharada said...

I guess I haven't always been that conventional in life or influenced by mainstream.

I did in fact have my son immunized when he was a few months old against polio etc. because I was nervous about having a new baby and had not done any research into it. However, when it came time for his MMR, I looked into it and the argument against immunization was just more convincing to me.

Another point, is that what is mainstream now, can change in the future. For example, if years ago, you had told someone that the sun could be damamging to your health they would have laughed at you because everyone believed the sun could only do you good. Now, awareness of the dangers of sun damage is mainstream. Another example is how up til the 50's, most people believed that giving children a good hiding was to their benefit. But see how this is changing now, and how more and more people are aware that this not the best form of discipline.

I can understand why you would follow mainstream. We just have to obtain the knowledge and trust our own instincts, any one of us could be wrong. I am never 100% sure about anything, I always leave room for doubt.

James said...

Well first of all we have known the health risks of the sun ages ago in science, but some people have thought differently. Abit as with the immunization.

I still don't understand, if most of the scientist will advice you to immunize your kids, why do you choose not to do so because of some controversial research. I don't even know if that research is done by real scientist, and who will support this anti-immunization at the first place?

So clearly Derren wasn't wrong in his book, as you suggested. I can also say that Derren was wrong about ghosts because I have read books that really prove there are ghosts, but that doesnt mean I am right and Derren wrong.

So Derren wrote absolutely solid things in his book, in which the knowlegde and science currently agrees, so you can't really say that he was wrong with that.

I think YOU if anyone, have to provide some evidence why the immunization does more bad than good if you post messages here that say Derren is ignorant and wrong. :)

Sharada said...

There is a lot about immunisation that you are probably not aware of, and too much for me to get into here. I have come across sound evidence to support my beliefs about immunisation in medical journals, documented by health professionals. Many of the public health professionals who determine vaccine policy profit substantially from their policy decisions.

I never actually said Derren was wrong, I do have respect for other peoples beliefs and life choices - unlike Derren.

James said...

Ill quote yourself:
There is loads of evidence, many found in medical journals, which show that immunisation does more harm than good. I was angry because he is obviously not well researched on the subject and dumbs down the actions of many concerned parents, who did not merely decide to stop immunising because of one report, but DID decide to look into it more and base their decision on their findings. As a parent, I thought it was a terrible and irresponsible example to use.

Sharada said...

Exactly!!!

Girl A said...

Wow - One brief search trying to find out about Derren's new found sexuality and I seem to have stumbled across a veritable library of varying opinions on the goatee wearing one.

Personally i'm a fan - it seems a pity that Pam seems to be quite obsessed with following up this falsehood of hers - and I suppose my comment to add on that would be that if Derren is such a psychopath doing all these things to all these people, then why the heck in our compensation obsessed world has no-one tried to sue him yet?!

Whilst i'll admit i find his latest series 'trick or treat' in some kind of ethical grey area - at the end of each show you get a soundbite from the participant who states however magical/great/scary the experience was - they have learnt something from it and that they wouldn't have changed it for the world. and lest we forget that these people actually do have to apply for the show and know what derren is all about.

Oh and about the book - the vibe i got from it was that you should always question what is presented to you instead of just accepting the norm - and that you should follow up the scientific evidence instead of just relying on your own sensory and distorted perceptions of 'what works'.

Anonymous said...

I just thought I had to have my say on the whole load of bull that pam was saying!

She harassed me for 2 & a half years back in about 2004 approx, then she said to me that Derren had raped her when she was in uni in bristol & that she lived with her female friend next door to him, back then she said it'd taken 8 years for her to realise what had happened to have these so called flashbacks

yet I read here that she says she recalls what he did in xmas 2002

If he raped her in 2002 & she emails me in 2004 how can that be 8 years? that's 2 years not 8!

She is an absolute psycho liar as most of you luckily seem to realise she should be ingnored at all costs!

Believe me I have 1st hand experience of her psycho ways!

I had to change email addresses several times 'cause she kept on finding me & harassing me I just couldn't escpae her!

I can only begin to imagine what poor Derren has suffered at the hands of this woman!

And I think it is something you should know I myself was violently sexually abused for a year & a half when I was 14 (I'm almost 24 now) and I would NOT ever be happy with the guy just ticking a box as an apology believe me!

i'm so annoyed with him to this day i'd love to deck him one & then some! No amount of apologies or "compensation" would make me feel any less angry or make it all "o.k"

Not even him being jailed until his corpse was dragged out of jail would make me happy!

No one who's been sexually assaulted, abused or raped would act the way she does or be "happy" with a piece of paper with a tick in a box!

And may I also say I have had the pleasure of meeting Derren countless times over the years & I could not ever meet a more genuine sweet & adorable gentleman he is so utterly pleasant you wouldn't believe it!

And he has an amzing sense of humour too!

Anonymous said...

oh & by the way if anyone cares to email me they can my email ad is kittystefani@hotmail.co.uk

Anonymous said...

Pam has currently taken to stalking Derren via Twitter. She is obsessed and fancies the pants off Derren really. She says she didn't remember being raped for years. She remembers when Derren made his way on to television. She is in love with him. He lived with his partner for 7 years. Derren is in a same sex relationship as never been interested in women. Spent is 20's celibate whilst trying to come to terms with his sexuality. He had to previous boyfriend before meeting his soul mate who he has lived with since 2007. He finds the idea of having sex with a woman a big turn off so no he is NOT a rapist. He is a brilliant entertainer and a lovely, cute and very clever man. His team have blocked her twice on Twitter and she keeps opening new accounts. She spams twitter on a regular basis. I hope in time that Derren will take legal action against her. Most celebrities would have by now. Pam you are an obsessed stalker and you need to get serious help. I repeat: Derren finds the idea of having sex with a woman physically sickening, he loves his partner, get over it and stop spouting your lies!!!! She has sent abusive email after email. I hope in time Derren changes his nice ways with regards to Pam Morgan and takes her to court for slander and attempting to blacken his name around the web. Derren has many, many fans, old and young, male and female and Pam is a sick, twisted individual who makes a mockery of the term 'rape'. Imagine how genuine rape victims feel. It is disgusting what she keeps tweeting to Derren. Lets face it Pam you happened to work at Bristol Uni when Derren was a student and when he first appeared on television you remembered him and he didn't know you for adam. You fancy him and you became obsessed, you have a sick infactuation with him. He has his partner who he loves. Leave the poor man alone!!!! People are reporting you regularly for spam on twitter anyway and in time I hope you end up in court and locked up as you truly deserve!!!!

Anonymous said...

Apologies for a couple of typing errors on my previous post Pam Morgan has made so many people so angry though so it is hardly suprising. She is so annoying, look at the dates on these previous posts, this woman has stalked Derren non stop for over ten years and it is about time it was stopped I hope Derren is keeping a record of all the abuse you send him, his team and his partner and I hope in time you are locked up Pam and they through away the key - YOU ARE SICK!

Anonymous said...

*throw*

There is a saying I firmly believe in Pam for the likes of you - 'What goes around comes around' and I truly believe you are heading for one big crash! You will not get away with it forever.

Derren is amazing and a total legend who is adored by his fans and is a perfect gentleman to them. I know which corner I am in and that will not change!

Anonymous said...

Sadly she is still at it, a particularly nasty piece of work in need of some serious therapy!

@dbisamonster

Anonymous said...

It is now Sept 2013 and she is still giving abuse on Twitter to Derren. @dbrapist. Twitter users please report her and block her for spam. In time her account will be closed yet again.